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Post by Cardinals GM on Jan 2, 2013 12:18:29 GMT -5
why? He went from 7yrs to 8yrs regardless of dollars.
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Post by jameson (Marlins) on Jan 2, 2013 12:46:01 GMT -5
You can't have half of the bid be legal and half of it be illegal. You can't go down a year, but increase the money correctly.
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Post by Cardinals GM on Jan 2, 2013 12:53:22 GMT -5
I thought it was either or. He chose to raise the year (compliant) then he chose to raise the monies.
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Post by Zona D-backs on Jan 2, 2013 13:33:38 GMT -5
Zona 8 years $128 million ($16 million per) If 8 yr $120M ($15M/yr) is legal and above is not ( ) than make it the latter. Thanks.
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Post by Bill Harper (Tigers) on Jan 2, 2013 19:27:07 GMT -5
The bid is legal. The rules say 1) add years at the same price (or you can increase if you want) or 2) same years with the increment the rules state. He met the first criteria. It either or. You don't have to do both.
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Post by bh32 on Jan 2, 2013 20:13:58 GMT -5
Bid is illegal with it getting to $15M/yr you need to increase by at least $2m/yr
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Post by Bill Harper (Tigers) on Jan 2, 2013 20:32:25 GMT -5
No it's not. Once he increased the years there is no requirement to increase the amount per year. It is an either/or scenario. You are missing that he went from 7 years to 8 years. That removed the requirement to increase the per year amount. He could have left it where it was and been legal. The amount per year requirement was removed when he increased the years.
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Post by Bill Harper (Tigers) on Jan 2, 2013 20:37:00 GMT -5
Here's the rule. It's one or 2. He met #1. Increase isn't required.
1. Add an additional year with the same price per year as the original bid.
2. Increase the amount per year based on the increments below.
Here are the increments of counter offers (offer per year) 1-10 million bid - you must increase the counter offer by at least a minimum of 500k per year 11-15 million bid - you must increase the counter offer by at least a minimum of 1m per year >15 million - you must increase the counter offer by at least a minimum of 2m per year
You must offer at least the same amount of years that was originally offered. For example, if Team A offers a player a 10 yr 60 million dollar contract (6 million per year) another team can't offer a 1 yr 6.5 million dollar contract. They must offer at least 10 yr 65 million (increase of 500 k per year).
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Post by bh32 on Jan 2, 2013 20:58:03 GMT -5
if he only increased years there would be no need to increase the $$ per year but since he did both and failed to increase by more than $2M the bid was illegal
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Post by Greg (Orioles) on Jan 2, 2013 21:03:06 GMT -5
I think bill is right with this one. Once years increase, you can keep the same or increase by as much as you want.
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Post by Bill Harper (Tigers) on Jan 2, 2013 21:09:46 GMT -5
Reread #1. It doesn't say that you also must meet option #2 if you increase the years. You just have to increase the years to be exempt from #2. You either do 1 or 2. You do not have to do both. He could have increased it any amount he wanted or none at all.
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Post by Cardinals GM on Jan 2, 2013 21:20:14 GMT -5
Reread #1. It doesn't say that you also must meet option #2 if you increase the years. You just have to increase the years to be exempt from #2. You either do 1 or 2. You do not have to do both. He could have increased it any amount he wanted or none at all. Thats the way i read it when i posted after Jameson. Having a mature discussion over bidding is what makes this such a great league. Other leagues would resort to douchebaggery 9 posts ago. I guess sybilsbeaver has yet to post... J/K
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Post by bh32 on Jan 2, 2013 22:37:03 GMT -5
Yeah you may be right Bill
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Post by jameson (Marlins) on Jan 3, 2013 9:08:51 GMT -5
Here's the rule. It's one or 2. He met #1. Increase isn't required. 1. Add an additional year with the same price per year as the original bid. 2. Increase the amount per year based on the increments below. Here are the increments of counter offers (offer per year) 1-10 million bid - you must increase the counter offer by at least a minimum of 500k per year 11-15 million bid - you must increase the counter offer by at least a minimum of 1m per year >15 million - you must increase the counter offer by at least a minimum of 2m per year You must offer at least the same amount of years that was originally offered. For example, if Team A offers a player a 10 yr 60 million dollar contract (6 million per year) another team can't offer a 1 yr 6.5 million dollar contract. They must offer at least 10 yr 65 million (increase of 500 k per year). a) I never said you had to raise money and year. I understand you can just increase the years. b) The rules state: Add an additional year with the same price per year as the original bid. They don't say add an additional year with same price or a little bit more. They say SAME PRICE. Once you increase the money, you have to follow rule two. But for the record, I don't care what the actual bid is. I was just pointing it out so Arizona doesn't get burned on an illegal bid again.
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Post by Cardinals GM on Jan 3, 2013 9:23:31 GMT -5
Thanks for bringing this up Jameson. Im sure Gary will be putting a final ruling on it.
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