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Post by Gary Dreyer (Rangers) on Dec 11, 2012 20:18:40 GMT -5
Minor League Poll
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Post by jameson (Marlins) on Dec 11, 2012 20:30:53 GMT -5
Two points to vote no: a) In about three years, all minor leaguers who are called up will be already on somebody's team by pure luck. There will be no transactions during the season other than trades. b) All those players would be locked into six-year, $300K deals. Think of many decent free agents there are this year because they were picked up with one-year $600K deals. Those players wouldn't exist.
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Post by bh32 on Dec 11, 2012 20:41:03 GMT -5
Two more points on why to vote no: 1)much much much harder to keep track of your minor leaguers if your into that sort of thing 2)give me a reason on why voting yes is a good idea??
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Post by dinger on Dec 13, 2012 13:11:57 GMT -5
For the sake of argument.
Point 1: with the new rule for minors we have to promote a prospect that meets minimums. Therefore we will have to drop that prospect or someone on our 25 man roster. We can have the minors depth improved with adding all our minors.
Point 2: When a prospect meets minimums, in the case of time set by Jameson of three years in his post above, that means those prospects will be dropped or someone from our 25 man roster will be dropped (my point 1 above) adding people to the FA pool. There will always be a debit and a credit. An owner will lose someone to FA or make trades or drop players to make roster accommodations.
Point 3: adding all those minors seems hard to manage, but then sell them or trade them. Jameson just sold me a bunch for cash.
Point 4: I couldn't care which way it goes. I just want to be a Rob type contrarian.
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Post by jameson (Marlins) on Dec 13, 2012 13:17:28 GMT -5
I counter your points 1 and 2 with this: Probably 60 or 70% of the transactions last year were guys picking up a player for someone who went on the DL and then never having to drop someone because there's a constant rotation of guys getting hurt. So would some players be dropped? Yes. But look at the transaction history, the guys getting dropped in a 30-team, 25 man-roster where most middle relievers are worthless are basically utterly worthless and would rarely be picked up by someone else.
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Post by dinger on Dec 13, 2012 13:45:44 GMT -5
Owners will no longer be able to stash players in the minors and will be forced to promote prospects and drop players. The dynamics have changed. There will be more than just DL replacements and dropping relievers. Teams already have a hard time filling a 25 man roster so giving a team the ability to build up the minors in order to fill a roster is logical. Dropping relievers and putting people on DL has nothing to do with expanding the minor roster. In fact it's exactly why you should have more minors gives you the option to promote when they're ready or trade them for a replacement.
However, limiting the minors is also good for league activity and competing for the best of the remaining prospects. See I can argue both ways. I guess I'm not as contrarian as Rob after all.
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Post by Cardinals GM on Dec 13, 2012 14:16:26 GMT -5
i wish i was around when Rob was.
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Post by Billy Mac (Nats) on Dec 13, 2012 14:47:39 GMT -5
Bring him back!!!! Give him the Yankees!!!!!
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Post by bh32 on Dec 13, 2012 15:58:33 GMT -5
With the new minimums set you are only able to stash minor leaguers for a year before you have to call them up or drop them and tht basically is the definition of adding all remaining minor leaguers..stashing, hoarding minor leaguers
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Post by bh32 on Dec 13, 2012 16:19:18 GMT -5
Also what happens when a player gets drafted out of HS..goes to college and gets drafted a couple years later by a different team?? Just another thing to keep track of and another reason why we shouldnt do it.
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Post by dinger on Dec 13, 2012 17:29:47 GMT -5
First, minor leaguers can be stashed until they reach their minimum at bats or innings pitched, not one year. You can keep them until they are called up or reach these standards. If they are in the minors on the real team they qualify for our minors. If they are called up but don't meet the standards they can stay in our minors.
Second, Fantrax should track a players professional experience. If they are not in the minors or majors will they still show up on Fantrax? Or at least will not be filtered as a minor leaguer? My guess is no but Fantrax should manage this feature.
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Post by bh32 on Dec 13, 2012 18:00:34 GMT -5
How is having 40 extra minor leaguers this year, over 120 in 3 years not stashing minor leaguers?
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Post by dinger on Dec 13, 2012 18:04:38 GMT -5
I used the word stash in the first sentence.
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Post by Gary Dreyer (Rangers) on Dec 13, 2012 20:04:24 GMT -5
As far as Rob is concerned, he will never come back. He has been banned from this site.
I think there should be a compromise. I think that after round 5 each team should get to pick 5 more players that were drafted by their major league team that weren't drafted in our minor league draft. This will give everyone a minimum of 10 minor league players per year unless you trade your picks.
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Post by Oxford (Phillies) on Dec 14, 2012 8:41:47 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand why owners would not welcome an opportunity to add to his minor league team. You all know that out of the 40 within a year or two only 10 to 15 will be left. Maybe there will be some diamond's in the ruff in there and in a few years he becomes a top 10 prospect. I thought you all wanted this league to be as close to REAL baseball as possible? Plus as the time goes on and your players move up when free agency comes around you can promote a $300 k a year player to fill your roster spot so you can go out and spend $33 Million on a Cole Hamels or $30 Mill for a Josh Hamilton. Make a rule that when your minor league player no longer qualifies then in the off season you have the choice to sign him or release him to free agency... This will help everyone out in the long run.
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